WWA Info Exchange

For Woodworkers By Woodworkers
It is currently Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:05 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 120 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:59 pm 
Offline
Veteran

Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:01 am
Posts: 2015
Location: Mountain City, Texas
Hey, Zulu! So are those 2 wedge pins the only thing holding the barrel once it is secured to the collar?

You're getting all the luck I have to spare :roll: Seriously...I have such confidence in your work that I feel pretty sure this is gonna be card lock!

Lemme SEE

Don


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:13 pm 
Offline
Veteran

Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:48 pm
Posts: 963
Location: Cypress, TX
Don2Laughs wrote:
Hey, Zulu! So are those 2 wedge pins the only thing holding the barrel once it is secured to the collar?

You're getting all the luck I have to spare :roll: Seriously...I have such confidence in your work that I feel pretty sure this is gonna be card lock!

Lemme SEE

Don


Don,
Yes, those wedge things are the capsquare keys. They keep the capsquare from opening.
The 2240 lb. barrel is assisted from jumping out of the carriage by gravity. :-D

The truth will tell tomorrow.
Zulu

_________________
Zulu's website
http://www.jmelledge.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:29 pm 
Offline
Veteran

Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:48 pm
Posts: 963
Location: Cypress, TX
Went to the Alamo today and back.
400 miles round trip! :shock:

Lifted the barrel with the engine hoist and rotated it upside down.

Crossed my fingers and set the trunnion collar on.
Not only did it fit, it was a perfect fit.
You can't believe the relief I felt.

There will be a 1/8" thick rubber gasket between the collar and the barrel.
I am not allowed to have metal touching the barrel.

Now I can move on with the carriage.

Here are some pictures.
Remember you are looking at the barrel upside down.
Zulu


Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image


This is where the carriage will sit.

Image

The wall on the left is where the carriage will sit.

Image

Image

Image

_________________
Zulu's website
http://www.jmelledge.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:03 am 
Offline
Veteran

Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:48 pm
Posts: 963
Location: Cypress, TX
This is some interesting information on the 16 pounder barrel that the Conservator of the Alamo sent me yesterday.
Zulu


16 PDR, another cannon in poor condition, with the trunnions and cascabel broken off, the vent spiked with a nail, and no visible markings. There are a few distinctive features, the wide breech band and a bell curve going down to the missing cascabel, and the muzzle with a prominent square / straight projection. These two features are a French design from the Saint Gervais Foundry, from the early 1700’s. The cannon is relatively short and very light for a 16 pdr (94” & 2,240 lbs.), the size actually reflects that of a 9 or a small 12 pdr cannon. It was most likely re-bored (to a larger diameter), and was originally a lightweight commercial cannon. This is what gunners referred to as a “lively” cannon, in that it was lightweight and recoiled violently from the firing – less iron to absorb the recoil shock. This cannon was one of five guns recovered from a wreck in Matagorda Bay (Ellen Tooker ?), in 1817, that originally came from (“merchants in” ?) New York. The vessel was aground in Bay, and the locals had managed to recover the cannon and get them onto the beach. The Spanish / Mexican authorities then arrived, and took the cannon to the Alamo. The cannon is one of the guns found by Sam Maverick in 1852, and was later recovered from the Gibbs building in 1908.
A few facts here – an 18 pdr cannon has a bore diameter of about 5.29 – 5.3”. American and British 18 pdr’s are generally the same size, the Americans carried on the known establishment – in regards to the bore. The cannon currently at the Alamo is actually 5.19”, which would be an undersize 18 pdr or an over size 16pdr in respect to bore diameters. More likely, it is a worn out 16 pdr cannon. Now, when one looks at the actual size of a regular 18 pdr cannon, you are talking about 10’ in length and potentially 3,600 lbs. The 16 pdr at the Alamo is ~ 94” long, and weighs 2,240 lbs, which would be very small for an 18 pdr. Now, it is feasible that a smaller cannon (9 or 12 pdr) was bored out to a larger diameter, so that it could fire shells with a smaller propellant charge – but cause more damage. The Mexicans were known to fire explosive shells, but did the Texans have any at the Alamo . . .

_________________
Zulu's website
http://www.jmelledge.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:07 am 
Offline
Veteran

Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:01 am
Posts: 2015
Location: Mountain City, Texas
That looks like exactly what I expected! You do fantastic work, Zulu! This is going to put you down in the annals of WWA all time greats! There are a few folks who have performed outstanding craftsmanship and been recognized here. I think Mango & Jim will, definitely include you in that number!
Can't hardly wait to see the finished project...will DEFINITELY drive to the Alamo to witness it's unveiling.

Don


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:15 pm 
Offline
Veteran

Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:48 pm
Posts: 963
Location: Cypress, TX
Don2Laughs wrote:
That looks like exactly what I expected! You do fantastic work, Zulu! This is going to put you down in the annals of WWA all time greats! There are a few folks who have performed outstanding craftsmanship and been recognized here. I think Mango & Jim will, definitely include you in that number!
Can't hardly wait to see the finished project...will DEFINITELY drive to the Alamo to witness it's unveiling.

Don


Don,
Really? :confused: You're making my head too big to fit through the door.
Believe me, I'm just some guy that bit off more than he could chew and is trying to make the best of it.
However, I am somewhat pleased at how it is turning out.

Zulu Big Head

_________________
Zulu's website
http://www.jmelledge.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:29 pm 
Offline
Veteran

Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:48 pm
Posts: 963
Location: Cypress, TX
Some good progress made over the last two days.

All four transoms cut to size with a 1.25 degree angle on both sides.
All horizontal holes drilled for the transoms at 1.25 degree angle.
Glue up of the top piece of one cheek. Now that cheek weighs 170 lbs!

I'll glue up the other side tomorrow.

It is my estimation that I could possibly deliver this thing sometime the week after the 4th of July.

I'll firm that up later.

The time frame the Alamo has given me to mount the barrel is dawn to 9:00. 9:00 is opening and I have to be gone with all equipment by then. :-?

That means I have to leave my house no later than 3:30 or 4:00 AM to get the 200 miles there.

There is no way I can take the chance of having a trailer with this thing stolen out of a motel parking lot. Won't even consider it.

Zulu


Image

Image

Image

_________________
Zulu's website
http://www.jmelledge.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:26 pm 
Offline
Veteran
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2004 1:01 am
Posts: 11323
Location: Hamilton, MS
Zulu wrote:
Some good progress made over the last two days.

All four transoms cut to size with a 1.25 degree angle on both sides.
All horizontal holes drilled for the transoms at 1.25 degree angle.
Glue up of the top piece of one cheek. Now that cheek weighs 170 lbs!

I'll glue up the other side tomorrow.

It is my estimation that I could possibly deliver this thing sometime the week after the 4th of July.

I'll firm that up later.

The time frame the Alamo has given me to mount the barrel is dawn to 9:00. 9:00 is opening and I have to be gone with all equipment by then. :-?

That means I have to leave my house no later than 3:30 or 4:00 AM to get the 200 miles there.

There is no way I can take the chance of having a trailer with this thing stolen out of a motel parking lot. Won't even consider it.

Zulu


Image

Image

Image


Does that include the wheels or will they be delivered separately and mounted on site?

_________________
I bring to life, I bring to death:
The spirit does but mean the breath:
I know no more. (Tennyson, In Memoriam)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:18 pm 
Offline
Veteran

Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:48 pm
Posts: 963
Location: Cypress, TX
Gene,
I hope the wheels will ship by the end of the week. I need them really badly.
They take a while to paint.
Zulu

_________________
Zulu's website
http://www.jmelledge.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:21 pm 
Offline
Veteran

Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:48 pm
Posts: 963
Location: Cypress, TX
Moving right along.
I still have to finish the leveling screw and platform.
When that is done, this thing will come apart for final sanding and painting.
Also I can finish the axle housing. It needs to be drilled for the rear capsquare bolt and the capsquares finished..
I can't cut the axle to final length until I get the wheels. Hopefully, by the end of next week but I will see.

Overall, at this point, I am happy with the build. We will see how it finishes.

With the iron installed, I think each cheek pushes 300 lbs. :shock:

The pictures show where this thing is right now. Nothing is leveled. Nothing is tight. It is not in it's finished state.
Don't be too hard on me. :-?

Zulu

Image

Rear pintle plate.

Image

Image

Leveling screw plate for 1.5" Acme threaded rod.

Image

Image

Image

_________________
Zulu's website
http://www.jmelledge.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:31 am 
Offline
Veteran

Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:01 am
Posts: 2015
Location: Mountain City, Texas
I love seeing this thing come together!! I can see the sweat equity you've invested in this project.....if it was me...would be hard to part with it....too bad you can't just rent it to them :lol: REALLY fine craftsmanship, Zulu! Thanks for sharing!!!

Don


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:08 am 
Offline
Veteran
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:35 pm
Posts: 3620
Location: Hutchinson Ks
I respectfully disagree with Don. While it is beautiful and you should be proud it should be put where other people can enjoy it too. Not hidden in your or someone else's collection.

Rog

_________________
Dont badmouth no strangers, they just friends you aint met yet.

An ounce of responsibility is worth a pound of State and Federal laws.

I spent most of my money on woodworking
tools and beer, the rest I just wasted.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:04 pm 
Offline
Veteran

Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:48 pm
Posts: 963
Location: Cypress, TX
I got the leveling screw platform finished.
The screw is 1.5" Acme thread. It screws into a nut welded to the underside of the leveling screw plate.

I am working on the leveling screw handles next.

The floating platform will raise or lower. The position it is in right now will have the muzzle of the barrel slightly elevated.

The breech of the barrel is 15.625" diameter. It will sit on top of the platform.

Because this is a "below center trunnion" barrel, it will sit high on the carriage.
I have always found this problematic when making a carriage be it a field carriage or a naval carriage.
The barrel just sits too high.

I will take the carriage apart tomorrow and start the sanding process which will probably take two days.
I will also be able to drill the axle to accept the rear capsquare hook bolts.

The Acme thread will be cut to final length when the carriage goes back together after paint.
Wheels should ship on Wednesday I hope.

Zulu

Image

Image

Image

Image

_________________
Zulu's website
http://www.jmelledge.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:34 am 
Offline
Veteran

Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:01 am
Posts: 2015
Location: Mountain City, Texas
Rapid Roger wrote:
I respectfully disagree with Don. While it is beautiful and you should be proud it should be put where other people can enjoy it too. Not hidden in your or someone else's collection.

Rog

Very true, Roger. I just tried to convey that it's hard to trust others to appreciate the personal sweat & passion embodied by such craftsmanship. Of course all should ber able to enjoy it.

Hey Zulu, does the breech have a pad or does it just sit on the flat platform? That thing is an absolute monster! Thanks for the update!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:45 am 
Offline
Veteran

Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:48 pm
Posts: 963
Location: Cypress, TX
Don2Laughs wrote:
Rapid Roger wrote:
I respectfully disagree with Don. While it is beautiful and you should be proud it should be put where other people can enjoy it too. Not hidden in your or someone else's collection.

Rog

Very true, Roger. I just tried to convey that it's hard to trust others to appreciate the personal sweat & passion embodied by such craftsmanship. Of course all should ber able to enjoy it.

Hey Zulu, does the breech have a pad or does it just sit on the flat platform? That thing is an absolute monster! Thanks for the update!!



Don,
The barrel will sit directly on the wood.
The underneath side of the wood will have a 1/4" thick strike plate attached so when the leveling screw is turned, it will be metal against metal.

It is, indeed, a monster!
Zulu

_________________
Zulu's website
http://www.jmelledge.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:01 pm 
Offline
Veteran

Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:48 pm
Posts: 963
Location: Cypress, TX
I have taken all these pictures, not only for my own records, but because it was part of my proposal. All of these pics have been going to my contact at the Alamo also.

Everything is disassembled.
Everything is final sanded.
The cheeks are moved into my foyer for paint by my lovely assistant.
The rest will be moved in tomorrow.

Zulu

The pintle plates.

Image

Image

The leveling screw plates

Image

Cheeks ready for paint. Note all the holes. They are drilled at 1 1/4 degree angle.

Image

Image

In the foyer ready for paint.

Image

_________________
Zulu's website
http://www.jmelledge.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:01 pm 
Offline
Veteran

Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:01 am
Posts: 2015
Location: Mountain City, Texas
:roll: :roll: Lordy :roll: :roll: ONE thing for sure...you are married to a KEEPER!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:21 pm 
Offline
Veteran

Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:48 pm
Posts: 963
Location: Cypress, TX
Paint color chosen by the Curator of the Alamo.
Not my choice but probably will look okay with black hardware.
Zulu

Image

Image

_________________
Zulu's website
http://www.jmelledge.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:22 pm 
Offline
Veteran

Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:48 pm
Posts: 963
Location: Cypress, TX
The leveling screw turned out real nice thanks to my friend with the big lathe.
I polished the weld marks out with a die grinder and 80 grit sanding flapper.

Paint on the carriage will be finished tomorrow.
Wheels are expected to deliver on Monday.
Carriage assembly should start about mid week while the wheels are being painted.

Zulu

Image

Image

_________________
Zulu's website
http://www.jmelledge.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:02 pm 
Offline
Veteran

Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:01 am
Posts: 2015
Location: Mountain City, Texas
That is some awesome detail. That screw is going to be moving one heavy piece! Am I very far off in guessing that about 3" of thread will be engaged when this is in place?
THANKS so much for the posts!

Don


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 120 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group