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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:00 am 
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I am trying to figure out what an inscription on a bronze cannon barrel says.
I believe it to be Arabic but feel free to advise me if you think differently.

The two lines start off the same way. I think that first word is "Allah".

Any help out there?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:02 am 
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I don't have any idea what the inscription reads.
However, the fellow at the muzzle appears to be more from the Indian subcontinent than the Middle East.
The shape of the mustache and the gem on the forehead of both he and the "lion" lead me to that conclusion.

Whatever it is ... it's a beautiful piece of work!

Just looked ... you may be correct (there is an inscription at this link):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

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DMoening wrote:
I don't have any idea what the inscription reads.
However, the fellow at the muzzle appears to be more from the Indian subcontinent than the Middle East.
The shape of the mustache and the gem on the forehead of both he and the "lion" lead me to that conclusion.

Whatever it is ... it's a beautiful piece of work!

Just looked ... you may be correct (there is an inscription at this link):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah


Islam constitutes about 14% of the India population today and about 4 centuries ago the northern parts of India were ruled by Muslims, so it could easily be Islamic or Arabic script on a canon made in India. I'd suggest taking it to a knowledgeable museum or university.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:49 am 
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Doesn't look like Arabic to me, Z. Can you identify what country it came from?

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about 4 centuries ago the northern parts of India were ruled by Muslims


I'll admit to being somewhat ignorant of the history of the Indian subcontinent.
So apparently gunpowder artillery was introduced to India by the Mughals:

https://chalklands.wordpress.com/catego ... artillery/

In the link above are a few pictures that have similar decoration to Zulu's cannon, circa 18th century.
In several internet searches I've found any number of highly decorated Indian cannon ... but only a few with both animal style muzzles and breeches.
Interesting.

Here's one attributed to "Tipu Sultan" on a broken Pinterest page:
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DMoening wrote:
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about 4 centuries ago the northern parts of India were ruled by Muslims


I'll admit to being somewhat ignorant of the history of the Indian subcontinent.
So apparently gunpowder artillery was introduced to India by the Mughals:

https://chalklands.wordpress.com/catego ... artillery/

In the link above are a few pictures that have similar decoration to Zulu's cannon, circa 18th century.
In several internet searches I've found any number of highly decorated Indian cannon ... but only a few with both animal style muzzles and breeches.
Interesting.

Here's one attributed to "Tipu Sultan" on a broken Pinterest page:
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All the pictures in that link were Photobucket blanks.

The barrel I have is trying to be one of Tipu Sultan’s cannons, many of which were captured by the British East India Company’s troops in the siege of Seringapatam in 1799. Tipu Sultan was killed in the siege. His bronze artillery pieces were beautiful sculptures (castings really but you know what I mean.). All of the tubes I’ve seen were in the form of tigers, with muzzle, cascabel, and both trunnions in the form of tiger’s heads.

While the owner of the barrel thinks it is authentic, after looking at it, I do not believe so.
It's still a pretty cool barrel.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:08 am 
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All the pictures in that link were Photobucket blanks.


Oh, sorry ... I guess I didn't notice they were hosted there as I use a Chrome extension to fix them:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/deta ... apbifiaedg

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:44 am 
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Hmmm, I passed this by a lanuage specialist I know.

He looked at it long and hard and came to the conclusion that it said,


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I still need to find out what it says.
I thought about joining a Muslim discussion forum I found and asking about it but after thinking about it, I decided not to. :shock:

I finished the naval carriage for it today. As soon as I get some pictures, I'll post them.
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